WatchWith money like this brainwashing Americans, it's only a matter of time until the government is 100% Republican again.
It's going to hurt every single blue collar (and most white collar) Republican voters more than you could possibly imagine. You'll blame it on the Democrats, but you'll deserve every last second of the horror that is coming. You are totally and completely fucked.
Enjoy it. You voted for it. You got it.
I await my tax cuts. The majority of my rental income is written off against depreciation on my homes so it will become tax free once the Ryan bill passes and capital gains taxes are cut to zero. Thank you.
GOP groups top Democrats in TV spending by far
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Feel free to send extra money to the feds man. I'm sure they will use it wisely! lol
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PockyClipsNow says
That's irrelevant as is the deficit. It doesn't matter at all.
The only thing that matters is how close we are to the end of the Monopoly game. A Republican government passing the Ryan act is the end of the Monopoly game
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What about Kelo vs. City of New London?
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wthrfrk80 says
Imminent domain cases where the government is seizing property (with compensation of course) for private industry is so small that the ones you can find on the internet can be counted on one hand.
This practice happens to be illegal in most states including California.
The Ryan bill will negatively affect every single American in the country with the small exception of people who do not work for a living but collect checks from other people who do.
I am not overstating this.
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Don't you people understand? BILLIONAIRES will no longer be required to pay federal taxes in the United States. STRUGGLING SINGLE MOMS who work two jobs will.
This is what you're voting for when you cast a vote for the Republican party.
You are LITERALLY volunteering to be a serf to a rich landed nobleman who will suck you dry and never ever EVER have to surrender his wealth for generations.
NO capital gains tax.
NO dividends tax.
NO interest tax.
NO estate tax.
NO alternative minimum tax.
There is so much ridiculous hype and lying in the world today that most of you don't even believe the truth when it is shoved in your face.
This bill has already passed the House of Representatives, and from now on Citizens United will allow multinational corporations to spend whatever money is necessary to load the Senate and claim the White House so it will become a reality.
This the end. Not the bullshit end claimed by people who are scared of the national debt, the REAL end that returns us to a 3rd world country. It's a zero sum game folks, and Republicans are desperately trying to give every last cent to Romney and Gates and Buffett and the CEO of Bank of America.
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Media has always been completely bull****. They either support politically connected corporations, or unions, and they always have.
Citizens united doesn't change that.
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It completely changes that. Read the article and look at the radical change that has taken place. It's black and white. Newscorp can spend a billion dollars electing Romney if they want to, and they would be accountable to NO ONE.
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Fort wayne is so invested in believing he's right, he would be screaming it even if he was being dragged off to the gulag.
Not that it could ever happen, his being such a gullible mouthpiece for the PTB.
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Come on IWOG, America has the best government money can buy. (sarcasm intended).
iwog says
The key word is in the country. If you can't get a second passport at least get you money out now before real capital controls happen.
iwog says
Pretty close I would say. As a student of history I have noticed there are three things that always happen right before any society, from ancient rome to modern greece or argentina, collapses into default, devaluation, and chaos. Capital controls, travel restrictions, and a huge wealth tax. It's always right before the end that this troika shows up. I don't think it's any kind of planned thing, just the last possible desperate steps that can be taken by politicos who have reached the end of the shell game.
With that thought in mind I have noticed that there have been a huge amount of laws passed the last 10 years to "combat terrorism" that also put in place mechanisms for all three things to happen. The IRS can now grab your passport simply by claiming you owe taxes with no proof required, other agencies can easily be given the same right. FATCA (and many of the other new laws) is de facto if not de jure capital controls. Even more ominous Americans have to report every single asset they own overseas now. There is even a new IRS form this year to list any overseas asset that isn't listed on any other IRS form. Even if it has no tax implications at all. The IRS just wants to know how much you own that's out of their reach. Why the sudden interest in knowing about every cent of value that Americans have outside of the country, except to implement a wealth tax? The tax evasion story doesn't wash. It's going to cost more to administrate these programs than will recovered from tax avoiders.
Just some random paranoid thoughts. Those who fail to know history are doomed to repeat it.
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Iwog,
I wasn't trying to minimize the damaging implications of the Citizens United decision. I was just making a "jab" at you, that's all. ;-)
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iwog says
Whoa whoa whoa...hold on...
The US isn't a third world country?
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wthrfrk80 says
Obviously. ; )
I know you're a very reasonable guy. I just don't want the loons to start parroting........"but.....but......what about imminent domain?!?"
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Not while spaghetti O's cost 99 cents.
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Trade deficit or fiscal deficit? Why don't you think it matters? Just curious.
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The trade deficit matters, however Republicans violently revolt against any attempt to reduce the trade deficit with tariffs and quotas. The trade deficit represents a flow of wealth away from our shores and an increase in foreigners having say in our domestic affairs.
The national debt has no direct effect on the economy other than dragging down interest rates when competition for that debt gets high. It's a fake issue that has been used since Reagan ran on reducing the deficit in 1980.
Reagan: The $1 trillion national debt will destroy us.
Bush: The $3 trillion national debt will destroy us.
Perot: The $5 trillion national debt will destroy us.
Clinton: The $6 trillion national debt will destroy us.
Bush: didn't give a shit.
Romney & Ron Paul: The $14 trillion national debt will destroy us.
How long do suckers keep voting on this non-issue while important things are totally ignored?
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I think most of the blame belongs to the democrats. If your boy Barrack was not so busy trying to be "fair" while giving handouts to his handlers and redistributing weath in unsustainable ways then people would not be racing to vote republican.
I think Nancy Pelosi is the poster child for what wrong with democrats.
By the way I think Barrack needs another vacation, seems like he is a little stressed.
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inflection point says
This is an absolute joke. Obama gave a tiny fraction of the handouts that Bush did, yet the lemmings are all going to vote Republican again anyway. You honesty think blue blood Romney is going to ignore his corporate friends? The donors who spent millions on him, once he wins?
Blaming the Democrats for this utter abomination is like blaming the Jews for Hitler. Once again I don't think I'm overstating it.
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She hasn't done jack shit. Her total effect on the economy is smaller than the $10 billion in $100 bills simply lost in the Iraqi desert by Bush. She hasn't implemented any policy, passed any important legislation, or done much of anything since Republicans have destroyed the government process.
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iwog says
It's a non issue until money is printed to pay it off...
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wthrfrk80 says
I'm not sure it would be an issue even then. More money = more demand = more consumption.
The problem shows up when there are inequities between the three terms, but there is no theoretical reason why printing money (devaluation) should cause inflation if handled correctly.
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bob2356 says
Obviously the USA ended by 1950 then. We had all 3 of those in spades.
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iwog says
Not sure I agree with you there...how does increasing the money supply NOT decrease the value of money?
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wthrfrk80 says
I explained it. Send everyone $1000 and you've got 300,000 million Americans creating demand for a $1000 product each.
If production doesn't increase in response to demand, such as during stagflation in the 1970s, you get inflation. If however there's plenty of labor available, (like now) and plenty of capital available, (like now) you get a corresponding increase in production. $1000 x 300,000 million Americans + 300,000 shiny new widgets x $1000 each.......is a wash. There will be no inflation.
I didn't understand this 5 years ago but my views have changed radically after watching Europe.
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You mean because it's been a gravy train under Obama?
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I guess if the banksters tell us we have to print money and give it to them in order to "save" the economy, I don't see why we can't print money and give it to everyone.
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CaptainShuddup says
Yes. Obama is FDR compared to what is coming under Romney.
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Giving money to everyone would actually work. Corporations would hire, unemployment would crash, the standard of living would rise, debt would be paid down, and we'd see a boom.
Handled correctly, there would be no ill effects from this OTHER than a devaluation of dollars in foreign hands and interest rates going up a bit. Bonds would fall.......OH NOES!!! BONDS HAVE BEEN RISING FOR 30 YEARS DON'T LET THEM FALL!!!!
That's a rich robber baron speaking. Republicans want to cut his taxes to 0%. Literally. No bullshit.
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Obama is not FDR. That's a major problem. FDR gave speeches in which he called bankers "banksters." That's accurate.
What has Mr.Obama done? Given the banksters pretty much what they have wanted. Would I ever vote for a Republican such as Romney? Hell, no. But get out of the fantasy that one side is so much fucking different than the other, it ain't so.
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monkframe says
You didn't support your assertion in the least. I've given EXTENSIVE reasons why Obama is better than Romney in absolute terms that have never been challenged.
Romeny's Supreme Court nominees would be radical right wing nuts while Obama's picks will be moderate. Instead of a laundry list this time, why don't you field this one? How many 5-4 decisions do you need?
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You are really going to have to explain that to me. A wealth tax is when the government taxes the value of everything you own, not just the increase in value. I am not aware of the US ever having a wealth tax. Property taxes could be considered a partial wealth tax, but that's local, not federal.
You realize I'm talking about capital controls on dollars going out? The controls that existed in the 1950's were to restrict foreign currencies coming in. The entire Bretton Woods System could be considered a type of currency control, but the biggest problem in the 1950's was trying to get dollars out into the rest of the world because of the huge imbalance of trade, not restricting them.
No one had their passport taken away that I know of in the 1950's, except perhaps accused criminals at risk of flight. Explain what overseas travel restrictions you are talking about.
A wealth tax as a revenue measure of last resort, capital controls to avoid capital flight in advance of a financial collapse, and travel restrictions to avoid physical flight to avoid taxation certainly weren't in place in 1950 that I can think of. I am always willing to learn if they were.
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You worry too much.
If the Ryan plan passes, it will just cause failure, which means that in the next election somebody with a more rational idea will be allowed in.
It takes more than a few years (or decades) of shitty government to ruin everything.
At least we aren't electing neo-nazis like greece.
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inflection point says
People are racing to vote Republican because they're frustrated that Obama can't get anything 'fair' passed. They elected Obama to do something, but he's unable to do it, and now they feel that anything is better than nothing, not realizing that there is far worse than nothing out there.
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IWOG, so you get all we-wee'd up when your team can't raise more money that the opposition. What were you saying when Obama's Big Money machine was winning the game and was in full tilt back in 07-08? It's OK when your team is winning the 'big money game', but not OK when it's losing? Your team has been playing on a tilted field (to its advantage in the forms of ACORN and unions) for soooo long. What are you bitchin' about? Listen, for every Soros, there's a Koch brothers. For every Rove, there's a Michael Moore. I get that; I guess you don't. You act like the sky is falling now. Relax. It's OK that half or more of the population doesn't share your opinions. I've figured this out for myself in 2000, and live a much more relaxed life....
I think Charles Krauthammer nailed it on the head in his weekly column...
..."Why did the unions lose? Because Norma Rae nostalgia is not enough, and it hardly applied to government workers living better than the average taxpayer who supports them.
And because of the rise of a new constitutional conservatism — committed to limited government and a more robust civil society — of the kind that swept away Democrats in the 2010 midterm shellacking.
Most important, however, because in the end reality prevails. As economist Herb Stein once put it: Something that can’t go on, won’t. These public-sector unions, acting, as FDR had feared, with an inherent conflict of interest regarding their own duties, were devouring the institution they were supposed to serve, rendering state government as economically unsustainable as the collapsing entitlement states of southern Europe."
Don't blame the messenger. Blame your team's message....
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IWOG, Aren't we already giving money to everyone already (except those that that are unfortunate enough to fall into the 50% of the population that actually has private-sector jobs and pays taxes)? By this I mean welfare, food stamps, EBT, assisted living, assisted heating, assisted cell phones. We were ALREADY giving people free shit during Bush, and way more during Obama, and guess what? IT AIN'T WORKING! Couple this w/ a country that makes less things that the planet wants, and you find us where we are today. It's that simple.
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Give it up. Democrats want campaign finance reform, Replubicans want as much money in the game as possible. That's the bottom line.
Romney says coporations are people.
Obama says that Citizens United was a horrible decision.
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That's the problem. We'll never know because all that money distorts the truth so people don't know what they are really voting for...
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Wealthy landlord Iwog comes here to pretend to be a populist to justify to himself that living off of unearned rentier income is ok and the world can be fixed by cheap political parties.
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Either way, you lose.
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iwog says
R-money is bad. But your goldman sachs loving Obama is better?
Lol. Illusion. Enjoy the unearned income we pay a much higher tax rate on so you can pay a lower rate on the same money.
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Mick Russom says
My unearned income might be tax free if Romney wins. Instead of 15%, I'll pay 0%.
Sound good? Vote Republican if that's what you want.
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Actually, we'll all lose. It's too bad you don't realize it....
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it sure as hell didn't distort Walker's recall election win. Walker had enough time to prove that the promises that he made good on (lowered taxes, and elimination of Wisco's 2+ Billion debt), would work. People saw that, and voted accordingly.... Again, I point to the book Freakonomics, by Levitt and Dubner, which proves w/ stats and history that $$, although important in elections, can't carry a lame ass candidate or referendum on it's own.
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AverageBear says
Yes, but your assertion here is worthless. All I hear you saying is that the 1000% more money behind Walker is not why he won. That's your opinion.
I'll deal in facts if it's okay with you, and the fact is that we just don't know.
But one thing any half way honest and objective person will admit is that unlimited corporate and billionaire money behind politicians is a problem (citizens united).
I know I'm just an old conservative, but I long for the days when we could have long in depth anaylisis of facts and when critical thinking about issues was encouraged rather than our current trend toward distraction and corruption.
By the way, isn't it fascinating that "citizen's united" has the name it does? It seems like the perfect name for a nonpartisan peoples movement against current trends, if and when the people ever wake up. Coincidence ? or is it just an indication of how much more on top of things the political right is than the non right.