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Another famous Republican speaks out

By iwog   Follow   Tue, 17 Apr 2012, 7:26am   5,714 views   57 comments
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"If Barack Obama becomes the president in November, again, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year,"

~ Ted Nugent

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1. nw888 Follow Befriend (2) 10 threads 132 comments

   1   8:05am Tue 17 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Haha, that guy is entertaining. Always something extreme coming out of his mouth.

2. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

   2   8:32am Tue 17 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   He's got himself in a stranglehold, baby...

3. bdrasin Follow Befriend 6 threads 489 comments Alameda, CA

   3   8:32am Tue 17 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Great musician; I'm a fan. Absolute moron when it comes to politics, and he doesn't have the self-awareness to see how shallow his understanding of the world is. Maybe some Republicans feel the same way when Carlos Santana starts waxing political.

4. CL Follow Befriend (12) 140 threads 1,355 comments Emeryville, CA

   4   8:57am Tue 17 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Why can't he be both?

5. clambo Follow Befriend (5) 1,070 comments Santa Cruz, CA

   5   9:59am Tue 17 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (2)   He can join all of the guys who said they would move to Canada if Bush were elected.

6. leo707 Follow Befriend (12) 10 threads 3,516 comments Oakland, CA leo707's website Premium

   6   4:41pm Tue 17 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   You forgot the parts where the Nuuge said: -Obama and his team are “coyotes” that need to be shot. -Gun lovers need to “chop [Democrats’] heads off” this fall. If he had throw in a reference to Allah, and used the phrase "great satan" he would have sounded just like an Al Qaeda spokesperson.

7. clambo Follow Befriend (5) 1,070 comments Santa Cruz, CA

   7   5:44pm Tue 17 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)   I like coyotes they're not as evil as Obama and his ilk. No coyote ever tried to pick my pocket, and they just are trying to make a living by catching gophers, rodents, rabbits, etc. By the way, more debt is just creating new tax burdens, for whom depends just on the person's age.

8. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 272 threads 12,452 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

   8   7:16pm Tue 17 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Cloud says Iwog is comfortable with 30 Trillion in US debt. C'mon, call me a muppet again! I like muppets.

9. Kevin Follow Befriend 40 threads 2,652 comments

   9   7:28pm Tue 17 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   I wouldn't mind at all if Ted Nugent was dead or in jail. I'm not sure what Obama being re-elected will have to do with that though.

10. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

    10   8:32pm Tue 17 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   I have Cloud's noise on ignore.

11. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

    11   8:33pm Tue 17 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   Kevin says I wouldn't mind at all if Ted Nugent was dead or in jail. I've always thought there was just as much hate on the far-left as there is on the far-right.

12. marcus Follow Befriend (5) 166 threads 5,054 comments

    12   8:40pm Tue 17 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   clambo says By the way, more debt is just creating new tax burdens, for whom depends just on the person's age. Yes, and all thinking people know where it came from. This history can not be covered up unless we truly become a fascist state.

13. marcus Follow Befriend (5) 166 threads 5,054 comments

    13   8:43pm Tue 17 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   I wonder how GWB, Cheney and their minions rationize the graph above. They must think it's a lie. Maybe they are from the crowd that thinks if taxes went to zero, government revenues would approach infinity. Therefore when they lowered taxes it actually caused everything to be better, and who knows how bad things would be if they hadn't lowered taxes and gone to war with Iraq.

14. thomas.wong1986 Follow Befriend 16 threads 4,426 comments

    14   10:22pm Tue 17 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)   marcus says I wonder how GWB, Cheney and their minions rationize the graph above. 2001... ask Osama Bin Laden, and the attack on this nation. No the Bush administration wasnt looking to have a war in the middle-east. Right in the middle of a recession... a tax cut was needed to spur investments. And we certainly saw some investments flowing back to create new companies/employers. https://www.pwcmoneytree.com/MTPublic/ns/nav.jsp?page=historical

15. marcus Follow Befriend (5) 166 threads 5,054 comments

    15   10:25pm Tue 17 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   thomas.wong1986 says tax cut was needed to spur investments. And we certainly saw some investments flowing back to create new companies/employers. Really ? From that link ? What am I missing ?

16. thomas.wong1986 Follow Befriend 16 threads 4,426 comments

    16   10:46pm Tue 17 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   marcus says What am I missing ? Investments into new business by the super rich went UP! But not the gang buster days like the 90s ... It takes a min. of $5M to invest by a single tax payer and the willingness to lose your entire investment. Higher taxes have never shown to fuel investments but tax cuts do! Do some data drilling and you will find lots of data, industries, companies, stage of investments, who invested etc etc etc.

17. thomas.wong1986 Follow Befriend 16 threads 4,426 comments

    17   11:06pm Tue 17 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   Gotta love Uncle Ted... God Bless em!

18. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 272 threads 12,452 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

    18   7:48am Wed 18 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   thomas.wong1986 says Higher taxes have never shown to fuel investments but tax cuts do! Bullshit. Clinton raised taxes and investment skyrocketed. Bush radically cut taxes and investment (other than mortgage fraud investment) crashed. Today taxes on investments are at record lows. The richest Americans pay around 15% on their new wealth. According to you, we should be in a period of record growth. Do you people have a central command center where freshly minted bullshit is distributed to fellow Republicans?

19. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

    19   8:03am Wed 18 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   iwog says Do you people have a central command center where freshly minted bullshit is distributed to fellow Republicans? Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Neal Boortz...

20. david1 Follow Befriend (2) 8 threads 755 comments 33 male Fort Mill, SC

    20   8:12am Wed 18 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike   iwog says Do you people have a central command center where freshly minted bullshit is distributed to fellow Republicans? This bs isn't freshly minted...Reagan started the publicity and its been increasing in fanaticism since. When you show them the facts, like GDP only grew .1% more per year under Reagan than Carter, they don't answer. Unemployment was also lower under Carter on the average. Again no answer. But Carter was the worst and Reagan is god. They keep repeating it over and over and finally even liberals start believing it. Its propoganda and it is WRONG.

21. dublin hillz Follow Befriend 10 threads 763 comments Dublin, CA

    21   10:16am Wed 18 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Rock n roll musicians sure side with republican establishment a lot even though they claim to be rebels.

22. Honest Abe Follow Befriend (41) 91 threads 1,806 comments

    22   2:33pm Wed 18 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=50880 Troubling?

23. Honest Abe Follow Befriend (41) 91 threads 1,806 comments

    23   2:35pm Wed 18 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   http://www.amazon.com/?tag=tbbutton-20 Here are some thoughts from another Republican who spoke out.

24. Honest Abe Follow Befriend (41) 91 threads 1,806 comments

    24   2:39pm Wed 18 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)   If you first don't succeed, try, try again is a conservative statement. The equilivant liberal statement would be: If you first don't succeed, cry MOMMY! (Mommy being the Government). Anyway, here we go again: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/04/18/robin-leach-obama-socialist-he-whipping-racial-war-and-economic-divid

25. leo707 Follow Befriend (12) 10 threads 3,516 comments Oakland, CA leo707's website Premium

    25   2:41pm Wed 18 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Honest Abe says If you first don't succeed, try, try again is a conservative statement. No, no Abe, you are confusing it with that old conservative axiom: "Make shit up."

26. michaelsch Follow Befriend 21 threads 581 comments South Pasadena, CA

    26   3:59pm Wed 18 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   "If Barack Obama becomes the president in November, again, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year," ~ Ted Nugent This is just an election promise.

27. FortWayne Follow Befriend (13) 102 threads 3,759 comments

    27   4:10pm Wed 18 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Ted is nuts. For a guy who dodged draft he sure likes to tout guns and make big statements... I don't think Ted is qualified to be a Republican or anything for that matter, he is mentally unstable.

28. Kevin Follow Befriend 40 threads 2,652 comments

    28   8:39pm Wed 18 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)   wthrfrk80 says Kevin says I wouldn't mind at all if Ted Nugent was dead or in jail. I've always thought there was just as much hate on the far-left as there is on the far-right. I've always thought that the world is full of dipshits who wouldn't know "far-left" if it was confiscating their property for the state.

29. thomas.wong1986 Follow Befriend 16 threads 4,426 comments

    29   11:18pm Wed 18 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   iwog says Today taxes on investments are at record lows. The richest Americans pay around 15% on their new wealth. According to you, we should be in a period of record growth. Well Ducky, it seems strange that Obama and the Democrats no longer use the term Capital Gains and Losses from Investments in their vocabulary... You may want to check the numbers... anyway Clintons increase wasnt much of an increase when you factor in excluding first $250K/$500K gain on sale of home. http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=161

30. david1 Follow Befriend (2) 8 threads 755 comments 33 male Fort Mill, SC

    30   6:37am Thu 19 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   thomas.wong1986 says You may want to check the numbers... anyway Clintons increase wasnt much of an increase when you factor in excluding first $250K/$500K gain on sale of home. http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=161 Nice link. Though when you adjust for inflation the numbers aren't quite so striking. In fact, total capital gains has negative correlation of -.6 to maximum capital gains rate when total capital gains is adjusted for inflation. Negative Correlation yes, but certainly not perfect or very strong. If we discount realized capital gains by the CAGR of the S&P 500 (10.34% annually from 1954 -2008), suddenly all of the big numbers are pre 1973, 1979-1988, & 1997-2000. CAGR 1954-1973 is 10.85% annually, 1979-1988 is 16.43% annually, and 1997-2000 is 17.31% annually. Hmm..what else happened during those time periods...Oh I know, high ECONOMIC GROWTH. This tells us during periods of higher than average returns in the general stock market, total realized capital gains go up. By the way, in all of these periods the maximum capital gains rate was 20% or greater. The correlation coefficient of max tax rates and capital gains when adjuted for S&P 500 returns is -.1. Pretty much no correlation at all. I guess all I am saying is - capital gains are much more strongly correlated to stock market returns than they are to tax rates. Obviously when the value of something increases more rapidly more capital gains will be realized regardless of tax rate. By the way, Annual CAGR of the S&P 500 by capital gains tax rate: Tax Rate Cagr 15.7% -8.7% 16.05% 14.34% 21.19% 4.42% 29.19% 17.3% 28.93% 18.7% 28.0% 15.4% 20% 15.36% 39.875% 7.02% 36.5% 0.59% 34.25% 14.54% 32.21% 3.6% 27.5% -8.63% 26.9% 11.03% 25% 14.22% The correlation coefficient between those two data sets is 0.07. No correlation at all. That means there is no correlation between capital gains tax rates and stock market returns.

31. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 272 threads 12,452 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

    31   6:47am Thu 19 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   thomas.wong1986 says Well Ducky, it seems strange that Obama and the Democrats no longer use the term Capital Gains and Losses from Investments in their vocabulary... Was this supposed to be an argument? Why isn't the economy red hot right now? Taxes on investments are at record lows. Your own chart proves it.

32. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

    32   7:12am Thu 19 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike   FortWayne says Ted is nuts. For a guy who dodged draft he sure likes to tout guns and make big statements... I think a good term for Ted Nugent is "a chickenhawk."

33. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

    33   7:17am Thu 19 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Kevin says I've always thought that the world is full of dipshits who wouldn't know "far-left" if it was confiscating their property for the state. I know "far-left" as someone who wishes their political opposition was dead or in jail (example: your comment about Ted Nugent). Just like I know "far-right" as someone who wishes their political opposition was dead (example: Ted Nugent's comments about Obama).

34. leo707 Follow Befriend (12) 10 threads 3,516 comments Oakland, CA leo707's website Premium

    34   10:15am Thu 19 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   wthrfrk80 says I think a good term for Ted Nugent is "a chickenhawk." Totally a chickenhawk, and when the SS interviews him behind closed doors I bet all that tough talk and threats fade pretty quick.

35. Huntington Moneyworth III, Esq Follow Befriend 53 threads 658 comments

    35   12:57pm Thu 19 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Isn't Ted Nugent the Black Jew who attends Nazi-Klan rallies?

36. thunderlips11 Follow Befriend (13) 49 threads 2,625 comments Premium

    36   1:37pm Thu 19 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   thomas.wong1986 says Higher taxes have never shown to fuel investments but tax cuts do! Higher tax rates do encourage investment. To avoid high taxation, companies and individuals reinvest the money in enterprises, hiring more people and buying/updating equipment and technology, rather than taking it out as profits and paying the high taxes on the gains.

37. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

    37   1:55pm Thu 19 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   thunderlips11 says To avoid high taxation, companies and individuals reinvest the money in enterprises, hiring more people and buying/updating equipment and technology, rather than taking it out as profits and paying the high taxes on the gains. Good point. In theory at least. I never thought of it like that. Is there empirical evidence?

38. thunderlips11 Follow Befriend (13) 49 threads 2,625 comments Premium

    38   3:32pm Thu 19 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   wthrfrk80 says Is there empirical evidence? Good question. There is some, far from a cincher, but it looks better than Supply-siders' claims when backtested. Somewhat off topic, there seems to be little connection between corp tax rates and tax revenue (Laffer Curve assertion). Found this funny chart. It was originally posted in the WSJ as: But is better tracked like this:

39. david1 Follow Befriend (2) 8 threads 755 comments 33 male Fort Mill, SC

    39   3:32pm Thu 19 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   wthrfrk80 says Is there empirical evidence? Yes. Look at GDP growth by year. Compare that with marginal tax rates by year. You will find that real GDP growth averages 2% higher in years where the top marginal tax rate exceeds 50% than in years where the top marginal tax rate is 50% or less. (since 1930) Correlation is not causation, but that is the empirical data.

40. thunderlips11 Follow Befriend (13) 49 threads 2,625 comments Premium

    40   3:42pm Thu 19 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   david1 says Yes. Look at GDP growth by year. Compare that with marginal tax rates by year. Thanks David. A little more chart porn: Looks like a wash, but one certainly can't argue that cutting marginal tax rates cause an explosion in GDP growth by looking at US post-war history.

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