WatchSome racist follows an unarmed 17-year-old African American boy. The boy buys candy and iced tea at a convenience store and continues walking home. The neighborhood watch scumbag stalks the boy, murders him with a gun, and then claims he was acting under Florida's stand your ground law, which states that a person can defend himself from an attacker rather without fearing legal prosecution.
The law was intended so that victims of violent crimes like rape, robbery, and attempted murder could fight back without risking prosecution. It was not intended to give a person the right to pro-actively engage someone in battle, and if you win -- which isn't hard when your armed with a gun and the other person is a minor with no weapons -- then you get away with murder. However, the police didn't arrest the murderer. After all, the victim did look suspicious. He had suspicious skin tone.
And that is why I hate social conservatism. A boy with his entire life ahead of him, snuffed out because of some stupid reptilian xenophobia.
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Did you know what happened when Zimmerman was charged with resisting an officer with violence?
It was reduced to resisting an officer without violence by the prosecutor, and then charges were dropped when he agreed to go to an alcohol rehab program.
Then the records were sealed.
Thanks dad!
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From MSNBC
Yeah, charges like that aren't reduced and dropped unless you have connections. And it turns out that George Zimmerman's dad is a retired judge in the county where this happened. Geeze, I guess that explains a lot, including why he wasn't originally charged with Martin's death.
People who's daddies aren't retired judges and friends of the current judges don't get off so easily for assaulting police officers.
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Cloud says
Yeah, his positions might as well be written with an etch-a-sketch, just shakes it and starts over when it best suits him.
Oh, wait... never mind that is Romney.
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leoj707 says
More anal leaking from Cloud? Let me guess, he took a thread about the Zimmerman-Martin case and made it about Obama. What an idiot. This case has nothing to do with the election.
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Dan8267 says
At least he sticks with what he is good at.
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too true.
but, disruptive and violent behavior is expected/accepted from people of color too.
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I prefer the General Dynamics RSB-80 Phased Plasma Pulse gun.
To each their own.
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Another sign of corruption.
This county is sinking fast.
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I came back to find that BAP33 hasnt shown any growth, nor developed any empathy for humanity. BAP33 sadistic and sick nature is still alive. After reading previous responses to the threads I am reminded of our previous discussions in which you have proven yourself to be nothing more than a racists yourself:
Read your own words below and I quote:
1. BAP33 Says: “crack addicted single mother of 5 (each with a different daddy) that is a 6th generations-removed slave”
2. BAP33 Says: "I have no remorse for the losers of a war that were made slaves instead of killed in battle. That is where the black slave sellers of Africa got the slaves they sold to slave traders … they gathered them up like bounty. Another silly racist. Blacks made slaves out of blacks. Go get ‘em."
3. BAP33 Says: "So, with the debt being secured by the home, and without all of the free loans pumping money into the hands of landscapers named Pedro to come along and by the house from me for 150% more than I paid, I just don’t see me leveraging up. "
Those statement show you have no empathy towards BLACKS or MEXICANS. Luckily for us, you have the economic power of a turtle crawling out to sea and these thousands of rants on this post only serve as a reminder to Americans that idiots like you still do exist.
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Since race is your number 1 motive on these pages maybe Patrick would be kind enough to create a section right next to Housing and Politics called....Confederate Sons of America where we can debate todays racial stupidity.
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you're the racist, racist.
Your only reason for opening this thread was looking for a chance to put race into a non-race issue (just like the media did). Your race-baiting is weak. Those quotes are not racist, they are correct. Live with it.
Your racism is sooo strong that you request a special race-based section on PatNet? Go away.
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Every last one of your comments signals a lack of empathy for the death of a child. You even attempt to frame him as lurking in his own neighborhood, which he should of been entitled to roam freely if he chose.
You call mexicans Pedro, blacks negroes and refer to your neighbors as gardners. You are the defender of anything that is smothered in racial stupidity.
All you see are wetbacks and niggers...not people.
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Given the headlines being added hourly of Realtor®s being arrested, indicted and sentenced for financial crimes, the most dangerous demographic cohort that can be identified is that of Realtor® - and their co-conspirators, of course.
Just because a criminal psychopath isn't wearing a hoodie doesn't mean it is not the most dangerous monster to walk the earth.
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I don't know who you're talking to, but I just want you to know, I'm not mad at you Bap, for having the race issues you have.
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I was responding to Clarence, some dipshit that has chosen to play the role of Malcom X.
I have no race issue until race is used as a tool or excuse.
Clarence, you failed to read my detailed response that shared how many more male negros would be saved by ending elective abortions - a true heart fealt way to save some young male negros - but, it seems that saving lives is not the target.
Now, Clarence, you must go watch this video and educate yourself as to why a person must be able to defend from attacks. Enjoy the video, and please respond!! Thanks.
http://www.knoxnews.com/videos/detail/chipman-murders-channon-christian-chris-newsom/
from the video: "They raped them, they tortured them, they beat them, then they killed them. It's not a normal murder."
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Oh that explains it. I have him on ignore from way back. DOn't recall why, but it probably was either ridiculous anti-union anti teacher bs, or right wing wacko talk.
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Quit fucking referring to people as NEGROES and PEDRO....no one is referring to you as ****. Ummm...I have no clue of a word to insert here so you choose a euphemism of your liking. Have some respect for the people you are speaking of. Stop dehumanizing people using terms from the 40s and I will stay off your fuckin ass. You make yourself to be an insensitive asshole when you call Mexicans PEDRO and refer to me and others as NEGROES.
I watched the video, and everyone here knows we have a bunch of sick, lazy people living in America within all communities. It is a result of our capatilist economy...not everyone has the desire or ability to work like you and I. The economy cannot support everyone and opportunities are sparse so that leaves a ton of people to engage in miscrient behaviors. There are only so many middle management positions to go around so someone will have to sweep the floors....or choose a life of crime and stupidity.
The lack of national attention on this case is a result of the past 50years of course reversal in which national news and media has attempted to portray blacks as victims where as the first 50 we were portrayed as demons, capable of what occured in that video. The first 50 years of the 1900s portrayed us as animals underserving of respect or dignity.
In reality, it is a select few amongst any and all communities capable of this kind of stupidity. It is deplorable and sick.
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Choose one:
1. Meat and Potato eaters
2. Ford Truck Drivers
3. Corn Huskers
4. Wonder Bread
5. Golden Boy
6. Almighty Whitey
If I referred to you as any of these terms you would be rightfully pissed. Its stupid to refer to people as such and it is time to behave yourself.
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These bastards got what they deserved, they always do.
Of the four charged at the state level, three (Letalvis D. Cobbins, Lemaricus Davidson and George Thomas) had multiple prior felony convictions. After a jury trial, Lemaricus Davidson was sentenced to death by lethal injection and Letalvis Cobbins and George Thomas were sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Vanessa Coleman has been convicted of facilitating the crimes and sentenced to 53 years in prison, and Eric Dewayne Boyd has been convicted of federal charges as accessory after the fact to carjacking and sentenced to 18 years in prison.[3]
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If this had of happened to a black couple it would of been national news because they hype up racism and crime to spike ratings.
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Clarence 13X says
I dont think your cause and effect are in line.
There has never been a way to create more opportunities for the masses than via a free-market capitalist system. Replace the label "capitalist economy" with "fascist-welfare-warfare economy" and I'd agree with you.
Most likely a definition problem. The media does a great Orwellian job of stripping every important word of its definition.
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Yes, I agree that capitalism creates more opportunity than any other system....I was attempting to show that even capitalism has its limits as far as how many persons within the system can be gainfully employed. Meaning, there are only so many high wage paying jobs to go around which will leave many to ponder their fates and futures while living in poverty.
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Clarence 13X says
Sure. No system can overcome scarcity.
There isn't a single person on this planet that wont justify his own actions. Noone sees themselves as a bad person.
Desperate people take risks. If the person feels he was cheated by the system which resulted in his desperate situation, his risks will often be of a criminal and/or violent nature. The people we call terrorists are an extreme example of this. Inner city crime is a more common example.
Capitalism, complete with a free-market pricing mechanism is the best way yet discovered to make the most efficient use of those scarce resources. More free-market capitalism = more opportunity = less crime.
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Agreed. Capitalism is the best system that provides the most opportunity, unfortunately we have a bunch of miscrients who dont want to participate for various reasons. The excuse used to be that slavery and discrimination left people without opportunity, now it just looks like kids are attaching themselves to too much hip hop and rock n roll.
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BAP33:
Why is it that there was no blood on Zimmermans shirt after he shot Martin while he was bashing his head in?
Curious.
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Today I heard that Treyvon Martin had 13 pieces of jewelry in addition to a wrist watch and a burglary tool in his backpack.
Can anyone confirm that?
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Why would you need confirmation? You've "heard" it and that's good enough right?
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Today I heard that Zimmerman had a paper bag for huffing paint in addition to a clan hood and journal, in which he wrote on many occasions about his desire to kill a black teenager and frame it as self-defense, in his pockets.
Can anyone confirm this?
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Bap33 says
I don't think that anyone here is saying that people should not be able to defend themselves from attacks.
Unfortunately Trayvon was unable to effectively defend himself from the well armed violent stalker. Just as Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom were unable to defend themselves.
The story you cited often has the level of torture greatly exaggerated.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/newsom.asp
That said even without the exaggeration it was a horrific crime.
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sickest post on this site
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Bap33 says
Sicker than your post that described a horrific torture scenario that has often been vastly over exaggerated, but horrific none the less.
Then trying to exploit that scenario to defend a man with a known violent history who stalked and killed a teenager? A teenager whose last seconds of his life were so terrorized and full of fear that his screams for help were little more than primal calls of distress.
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your opinion. nothing more. wrong though it is, you should have one.
yes, your post is sicker.
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Bap33 says
leoj707 says
Zimmerman's violent and unstable personality has been well documented.
leoj707 says
Zimmerman did "stalk" Trayvon who tried to "walk fast" in order to "lose" the person following him.
leoj707 says
Trayvon was a teenager, and was killed by Zimmerman.
leoj707 says
Listen to the tape, they are the screams of someone who fears they are about to die. The screams are cut short by Zimmerman's bullet. Experts have determined they are not Zimmerman's screams.
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No, it is the facts as we know it today. I am open to the possibility that the trial will shed more light on the matter.
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Here is an actual opinion:
Your post that uses a horrific crime is much sicker than mine, suggesting that people who are stalked and murdered unfortunately did not have the option of a more adequate defense against their attackers. *sickening*
You also use a case that has been exaggerated and falsely used as an example of the "horrible injustice" of a black-on-white hate crime. Even the courts and the families do not view the horrific attacks on Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom as a racially motivate hate crime. *sickening*
You compare Trayvon, who even by your admission is the victim of at least manslaughter, to a horrific group of brutal and sadistic killers. *sickening*
The only thing that Trayvon may have with those people is the color of their skin. The only thing that Zimmerman has in common with Christian and Newsom is that they are not black. I am beginning to think that Clarence 13X is correct in that you have some serious race issues. *disappointing*
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the race issue was created by the liberal media to give Lord Barry a much-needed fire-strom on the streets. That has been proved beyond doubt.
"Payback for Trevon" has been used for the blacks attacking whites in the past few weeks. That has been proved beyond doubt.
If Lord Barry had a son it would look like the animals that raped and mutilated the young white kids too.
How you can equate a watchmen on patrol to protect his, and his neighbors life and treasure, that was jumped by a prowler that matched the exact description of the common perps of the area, who defended himself from the prowlers attack and attempt to cause great bodily harm,.... you are actually trying to equte THAT to these murdering animals ... and that is disgusting. I fgure you must be just doing this for sport.
When will the Black Panther that offered a bounty go to prison?
When will Spike Lee go to prison?
Your attempt to defend the murdering filth would be laughable if not for the sad fact that the entire progressive/liberal/leftist movement plans to use their race-baiting tacitics to force AMerica to allow Lord Barry to remain KING,,,,,, "or else!!!"..... after all, it's all "payback for Trevon!!"
lets not forget how those silly white cops acted "stupidly" way back when ....
This entire racebaiting game is disgusting .. but, I must admit, it is effective with the drugged up scum he is hoping will drag their lazy ass to the polls and vote Lord Barry in as KING.
you actually think it matters that bleech was poured down the poor murdered girls throat after she was ganged rapped for days and dead ... instead of as she was dying. The young man was rapped by the huge black men as his girl watched, and then his dick was cut off while she watched ..... then he was shot a little bit .. and THEN he was murdered. That is a demon created by the liberal social policeys in place. And, you really need help if you see these issues on any level of compairison. Have you no compassion for white kids?
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leoj707 says
now you go find 10 examples of a black killing a black that IS a hate crime!
and now, find 10 examples of a black killing a white that IS a hate crime.
don't waste your time, they are not there.
now, without even trying you can search and will find 30 examples of a whites being accused of "hate crime" because the victim is other-then-white. THAT is disgusting, and PROVES the racial bias created by liberal social PC bullcrap.
You and Clarence are of the same racebaiter tribe ... you may even be the same poster. Maybe.
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Everyone who has read Bap knows. He's a nice guy in many ways. Fairly high EQ (like IQ but for emotions). But man, his race issues (and other prejudice) run strong and very deep.
It's interesting because nobody admits to being racist, except some of the least racist people. And we see it differently. To his type there is no such thing as a hate crime. And if Zimmerman's profiling was paranoid delusional, and very much about race, somehow Bap discounts it. It's as if "hey, Zimmerman was 100% certain Martin was up to no good, based on his appearance, and wanted to take armed action based on that belief. What's wrong with that ? Racism you say ? I say race baiter to any fool that wants to bring race in to this !!"
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All it proves is that for good reason as a society we sometimes react to mistreatment of MINORITIES.
Lynching has been mentioned above. Lynching was usually a hate crime (even if it was occasionally simultaneously vigilante justice). Do you think lynching of black men could have even happened if African Americans were at the time the dominant majority culture ??
I know it's a silly question, but there's something very obvious and simple you are missing.
Hate crime laws by definition protect minorities against bias related violence. If a crime against a member of a majority group happens because they are in the group, who cares if they call it a hate crime or not. The majority group doesn't need the same kind of protection from hate from within the minority, as the other way around.
Maybe one day when a lot of gay men are going on violence sprees targeting straight men, there will be some new types of hate crime legislation.
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not how I see it at all. Zim was armed to be ready for the unforseen .. like boyscouts are taught. And it saved him from possible death. He did not run home and get his gun and go hunting for the prowler. You are shaping the situation to fit your bias (or the mass hysteria bias), but I am not.
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every slave that was picked up in Africa was sold to traders by Aficans. The slaves were the losers of wars and victims of kidnapping, and either got on the ship or where murdered by their African capters. Your point?
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and that is the stupidest thing any civilization could ever dream up ... special laws that are drempt up for a special sect of the group. Who is the insane idiot that can't imagine a crazy sodomite --- like the wiki-leak mole --- taking action against a person or entity based on their sexual orientation??? How much more obvious can a hate crime be??? Blacks attacking a white, and boasting that it was 1) retailiation (vigilaty BIG TIME) and 2) justified because they are the same color as Trevon and the victim was not. Yea /// that would be a friggin race based HATE crime if there really were any need or reason for such a stupid assed idea as "hate crime" enhancement tied to plain old crime.
Sleep well marcus
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Wtf ?
My point was about hate crime being about crimes against minority individuals, and that's why it seems skewed to you.
What is your point, with the bit about slaves being sold to slave traders by evil African scumbags ? What does that have to do with anything ? I'm not interested in trying to figure out who was the most evil in slave trafficing. Was it the traders who bought and sold slaves to other traders who bought and sold them or the farmers and others who bought them, or the initial (evil) profiteers who couldn't resist the price being paid for their fellow Africans. My guess is that those most likely to be taken in to slaverly were small tribal groups that didn't have advanced weaponry or awareness of the scumbags that they should have been fearing.
Kind of off topic from your confusion about why the name "hate crime" ends up attached to some hate based crimes and not others.
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Bap33 says
We now know in hindsight based on his well documented innapropriate emotional outbreaks and associated assaults (and what happened with Martin), that he never should have had a gun.
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I would give 3 to one odds on a huge bet that without the gun he would not have stalked Martin and confronted him. Again, it's quite obvious that he was not emotionally and psychologically balanced enough to even have a gun, let alone pretend he's a law enforcement officer imagining that he has some special powers enabling him to magically know what a fellow citizen's intentions are.
(most real cops don't do that - but at least when a real cop stops you to ask you what you're doing - you know its a cop and usually feel somewhat safe, from physical harm - even if their profiling was unfair)
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/25/us-usa-florida-shooting-zimmerman-idUSBRE83O18H20120425
This just in from Reuters.