This is the second in a series of articles. Rothbard was a racist and he was one of the most influential people in the libertarian movement. Since Ron Paul is running for president people need to know the dark underside that will always be with libertarian thought.
Exposing the Racist History Of Libertarianism And Murray Rothbard
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Did you confuse me with someone else? I was the one who said that if anything blacks may be genetically superior.
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This is not true. Affirmative Action and Equal Oppurtunity laws force unqualified blacks into positions that are far beyond their capability. When they inevitably fail at their job, the job requirements are changed to such low standards to allow the black to maintain a mask of proficiency. Whites who work around AA/EO hires know what I mean. The white has to work harder to fix the mistakes of the black on a regular basis.
Firing a incompetent black employee is also next to impossible. A claim of racism can bankrupt a company with a lawsuit far faster than a bad worker. HR has to document every minor infraction and allow the black countless chances to fix the problem. Businesses now realize this and instead of hiring an effecient staff of white people, they hire a certain % of blacks so they won't face a racial shakedown from diversity con men and budget in for black failure.
You will also notice that jobs that simply can't have mistakes without huge costs associated with them are super majority white.
I never said all blacks were not as intelligent as whites, I only said that the super majority of blacks are less intelligent as whites. As I stated before, anecdotal evidence is worthless. By mentioning 1 black who may be intelligent you are ignoring the millions who are most definitely not.
For your last 2 points.
IQ is the best quasi scientific measurement of intelligence we have. Without fail, the average black always score lower than the average white on these tests. Spiritual IQ made me laugh.
All religions are false and are used as a form of control by the smart over the unintelligent.
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Peter P says
No because you said this: "Of course racism should be a civil right. Do you want to ban mean people too?"
Racism should not be a civil right unless you want to destroy America.
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HRHMedia says
My own personal opinion is that libertarians have a screw loose mentally. They just aren't right.
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What you consider "racism" built the USA and was standard operating procedure for the USA until the 1960's. History proves it worked pretty good.
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Peter P says
The thing about black genetics is that black people have a provably much wider range of variation than any other group. It's so wide it doesn't even make sense to group people into black, white, asian. It's more like this in reality:
* white people
* asian people
* black group #1
* black group #2
* black group #3
... about 10 more black groups
For example, the tallest people in the world are in Africa (Tutsi) as well as the shortest (Pygmy). The huge genetic variation is masked by having dark skin in common, that's all. So if you take the global population and pick out the top athletes you're probably going to get mostly black people just because they have the widest range of abilities. Most world top sprinters come from West Africa. Most world top distance runners come from East Africa.
I'm pretty sure this applies to the genetics of mental ability too. Many Nigerians have fleeced many white Americans with their email scams, from a poor country and across the ocean. Impressive in a way.
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Genetic diversity is a very good thing.
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Peter P says
I agree. Distinct groups should stay distinct.
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Race still exists no matter how much you shout that it doesn't.
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I agree with you on the religious aspect, but ignoring something as blatantly obvious as racial differences will not make your world a better place.
Religion is just an opinion and that can be changed with a great amount of effort. We can't alter genetics(yet). If there comes a point in our future that we can "program" babies for certain genetic features, I think genes that create our intelligence will be altered in black babies to a greater degree than in white children.
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foxmannumber1 says
Not necessarily. You're forgetting about "hybrid vigor":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterosis
Mixed-breed animals generally healthier and smarter than inbred animals. Definitely true for dogs anyway:
http://www.zootoo.com/petnews/study-finds-mix-breeds-smarter-than-pure-breeds-354
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Patrick says
I'm sure you would agree that inbreeding and mating with a member of our own race who is not related to you without going back hundreds or thousands of years are two different things.
To stay on this topic, I believe that if a normal, relatively purebred white person has children only with a normal relatively purebred black person that you:
1. Destroy both bloodlines. However, the media is pushing black male/white female relationships as commonplace and acceptable. Statistically speaking the black male will leave the white female and most likely go on to have babies with black females at some point, keeping the all black bloodline intact. The white female and her mulatto offspring will be shunned from both black and white societies and her white bloodline is ended.
2. Create a better "black" person at the expense of making a worse white person.
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I don't see how. I'm not threatening violence, enciting others to violence or using profane language or racial slurs. Everything I've said here is a fact and my opinion of how to make the world a better place by knowing and using that fact to everyones advantage.
In real life, I'm willing to bet I act just like you. I associate with people of my own race far more than members of any other race. When forced to interact with people that are different than me I am polite and do the minimum amount of interaction required to maintain my safety.
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foxmannumber1 says
You are out of your mind.
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I think history proves the USA was created by and for european descendants. Mass Asian/African immigration was not part of US society until very recently.
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Believe it or not, I do not hate non violent blacks. I don't hate the average black. I don't hate the black who stole my car. I hate the black who commits a home invasion/rape/murder of an elderly person.
There is no problem with stating facts. If those facts make a certain group look bad compared to another group in your mind then you may have the problem.
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Patrick says
I agree. I was about to say that genetic diversity is good only if ther is cross breeding.
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Tolerance is really overrated. We must learn to embrace and appreciate differences.
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HRHMedia says
Please don't create false quotes. It does no good.
I'm not denying being what you consider a racist. I consider myself a race realist. I believe there are genetic differences between the races that ultimately shape the outcome of each person's life.
Understanding those differences and putting them to use in the best way possible is what I'm advocating.
What I think liberal's like you fear is outlined in this blog entry near the end. I suggest you read it from the perspective of the daughter.
http://jewamongyou.wordpress.com/2010/02/23/reflections-of-a-racist-father/
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Yes, he's a racist, but I don't think he's trying to insult anyone in particular.
I disagree with pretty much everything he says, but I don't want to censor anyone who is being relatively polite.
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bgamall4 says
You clearly have not read much Rand. I'm also quite sure Rand would have though Schiff to be a 2 bit huckster; an opinion I share.
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Here's a partial list from the blog that you apparently didn't read.
The mind of a liberal has been conditioned to assume certain things about race and science:
1. He who entertains notions of meaningful racial differences hates “people of color”.
2. He who believes there are differences, in average I.Q. between the races, considers whites to be more human than other races because I.Q. is what makes us human more than anything else.
3. He assumes that there must be ulterior, evil, motives in your racial research and opinions. Research that is acceptable to “liberals” is good because it furthers science but research that challenges racial dogma is bad because it is motivated by hate.
4. He fears that any kind of racial science will, ultimately, lead to another Nazi holocaust, Jim Crow laws or slavery.
5. He will avoid reading race-realist literature, claiming that he is “too busy” or has “other priorities” and yet he considers himself well informed and his opinions “factual”.
6. He believes that “race” is synonymous with “skin color”. Therefore, since skin color cannot determine I.Q., neither can race.
This one applies to most white liberals I meet.
7. He believes in “diversity” for other people but chooses majority white areas for himself to live in.
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Race realism? Shall we change the subject to hair-color realism? Red, black, brown, and blonde? :-) LOL!
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Randy H says
Randy, I will clear it up for you. Ayn Rand shouted at the top of her lungs that she was not racist. However, she also believed in voluntary relationships. If her libertarian friends, like Rothbard, had their way, there would be no civil rights act and racism would be a civil right. Therefore, in the context of voluntary relationships, her shouting that she is not racist is simply useless if the civil rights act is ever repealed due to this desire for voluntary society.
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I suspect that some people agree with me but would not want to socially ostracize themselves.
www.amren.com is a race realist site that discusses current events about race in a polite and informative manner. There are also great opinion editorials and views on history from a non mainstream media perspective.
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Again, if you you had any clue what you were actually talking about you'd know that Libertarians hated Rand and she publicly derided them. She went so far as to say that she preferred the company of Socialists because they were at least honest about their ideology.
You've been caught in your own prejudiced discrimination based on ignorance and intolerances, and I think you don't much like it.
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Doesn't matter, the Mises Institute adopted her. And her views on voluntary relationships were libertarian all the way. She studied under Mises and so did Rothbard. She believed that the rich were oppressed. She believed that self interest was worthy of worship. She believed in limited regulation of the wealthy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayn_Rand
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foxmannumber1 says
Since you are already in the mud we don't need more gullible followers getting your dirt all over them.
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We have now established you are unwilling to engage in earnest, fact-based debate. When the facts are inconvenient for you, you discard them with non sequitur and ad hominem fallacy. I was rather interested in discussing the wealth of depravity that is the modern Libertarian party and ideology.
However, as you are unwilling to do so in an intellectually honest manner, I withdraw my interest in your comments or discussions.
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Randy, don't you now see the problem with Objectivism is that people are by nature subjectivists? Most of us are fact-bending revisionist historians with selective memory to some degree. :-)
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As stated above, I do not hate any race.
It is a fact that blacks are genetically less intelligent than whites. I feel that this fact should be accepted by US society so that both races can be happier and both races can use their natural aptitude to its fullest extent.
If you consider that race baiting then you are incorrect.
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"Intelligence" is not even a fact. It is merely a series of tests created by self-proclaimed "intelligent" people.
It may be a fair statement that people of different races are different. But again so do people with different hair colors. Some may say that redheads have more freckles. But so what?
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Have you heard about this memory test for chimps which shows they are far better than humans at remembering a sequence of numbers?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7124156.stm
Does that mean chimps are more intelligent than humans?
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Patrick, I am now scared. Are you suggesting that it will be the Rise of the Planet of the...
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I for one welcome our new ape overlords!
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Foxmannumber1, you're putting forth a great effort, but it's like trying to argue with a fundamentalist Christian or Muslim. Good luck with that!
"I am race and religion free, I am a member of Humanity."
This is just a fancy way of saying "I am a white person."
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Randy H says
You can expand that concept Randy. :)
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AlexS says
Unbelievable. If Pol A accepts donations from janitors at a company, he is corrupt. If Ron Paul gets them from a racist organization he's a fucking saint?
And I do know folks who used to be Paulistas who have changed their opinions. You may come around yet, once your blinders fall off.
http://www.indyinasia.com/2012/02/bilderberg-steering-committee-member-is-ron-paul%E2%80%99s-biggest-campaign-donor/
http://www.thenation.com/article/166421/ron-paul-wants-abolish-cia-his-largest-donor-builds-toys-it
So, Paul's been kept afloat by Peter Thiel! So much for the tiny donors and military supporters.
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bgamall4 says
Thanks for being part of the problem that brought us Mitt Romney, now please feel free to enjoy the fruit of your efforts as we endure 4 years of Mitt Romney.
If people didn't want a scary ole white libertarian, then a black Muslim that wants to make America a communist country complete with forced labor prison camps, doesn't stand a chance.