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  • On Sat, 25 Jun 2016, 8:02pm PDT in Would you like to see, Great Britain rule again?, turtledove said:

    HydroCabron says

    What laws? All the lies about "bananas can't be too bendy," "all boats must carry a supply of condoms," and "cows must now wear diapers" were just so much fear-mongering bullshit.

    Funny cuz it's true in many ways. However.... From the medical (repro. endocrin.) perspective, I saw the "EU Directives" attempt to affect laws in Ireland with respect to abortion. And don't get me started about their Cell and Tissue Directive. So they were slowly trying to have supremacy.

  • On Sat, 25 Jun 2016, 10:49am PDT in Would you like to see, Great Britain rule again?, turtledove said:

    turtledove says

    Also, I'm not sure if this will be the end of it. The EU is pretty persistent. I remember when they were proposing the Lisbon Treaty. ROI had a vote and said "no." Just a couple of months later, the EU changed their marketing strategy (ads everywhere, people handing out pamphlets everywhere) and they held another referendum. It passed in Ireland on the second vote (roughly six months after the first vote). It just struck me as funny. Like, "we don't like the way you all voted on this the first time.... Let's have a do-over." Not saying they will hold another referendum on the BREXIT, but it wouldn't surprise me given how they handled the rejection of the Lisbon Treaty.

    I forget my powers, sometimes. I say it and then it happens... The Washington Post says "don't hold your breath..." and that it would be odd to hold another referendum on the same thing... But this is exactly what I saw with Lisbon. I'll be really surprised if they DON'T hold another referendum. The people who shouldn't hold their breath are those who think that the EU will take this lying down. While they are arguing about the revote, ads will pepper their televisions, radio waves, and doors... Canvassers will go door to door to discuss the benefits of staying in the EU. Shopping malls will be flooded with marketers handing out pamphlets and discussing why they should stay in the EU. In six months when they do this all again, my guess is you'll see greater voter participation overall with the tail wagging the dog.

    1.6 million Brits signed a petition for another E.U. referendum.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/25/more-than-1-6-million-brits-signed-a-petition-for-another-referendum-they-shouldnt-hold-their-breath/

  • On Fri, 24 Jun 2016, 8:16pm PDT in Would you like to see, Great Britain rule again?, turtledove said:

    Living in Dublin, at the time, I got a front row seat to EU membership in the wake of 2008. Regular people got hit very hard. We lost about $2,000/month almost overnight in emergency levies and increases. The thing that impressed me most was the speed at which they could enact such things. Not like here, at all. Here, we bitch and moan about proposed changes forever before they happen... Not in Ireland. They'd meet, pass a levy and bam, the money was gone at the next paycheck. It was impressive. Anyway, lots of people were in trouble as a result. It was a very difficult time. Austerity isn't fun. The general feeling among the people I hung with was that they were pretty angry. They had no choice about the austerity because they had no sovereignty to manage their own debts. Ireland won't leave the EU. The very fact that GB did it may pretty much guarantee the opposite decision in Ireland... But from 2008 to 2010 there was a lot of talk about it.

    Also, I'm not sure if this will be the end of it. The EU is pretty persistent. I remember when they were proposing the Lisbon Treaty. ROI had a vote and said "no." Just a couple of months later, the EU changed their marketing strategy (ads everywhere, people handing out pamphlets everywhere) and they held another referendum. It passed in Ireland on the second vote (roughly six months after the first vote). It just struck me as funny. Like, "we don't like the way you all voted on this the first time.... Let's have a do-over." Not saying they will hold another referendum on the BREXIT, but it wouldn't surprise me given how they handled the rejection of the Lisbon Treaty.

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