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27 State colluded in massive voter fraud and not are coordinating to avoid investigations into it. Or Liberals conceed Trump won popular vote.

By Tenpoundbass   Jul 4, 6:48am   3 links   1,169 views   43 comments   watch (1)   quote      

https://www.teaparty.org/breaking-27-states-busted-conspiring-trump-massive-cover-248966/

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4   PCGyver   390/390 = 100% civil   Jul 4, 9:00am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

Kentucky, North Carolina, Utah, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Indiana, Ohio, South Dakota, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Mississippi, Montana, Arizona, Iowa, Texas and Kansas 16 states that refused which went for Trump. What do they have to hide? Maybe Hilary really did take those states.

5   BayAreaObserver   1090/1090 = 100% civil   Jul 4, 9:02am  ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Patriots who go to the polls with the faith that their vote matters

It doesn't at least at the national level but we all want to believe it does just like fiat currency and most other things and being able to think of one's self as a "patriot" sounds nice and feels good.

Personally I prefer to think of true "patriots" as people who gave what they had and then some just so we could continue to have the privilege of being deluded into thinking our representatives etc. actually care about their constituents.

Enjoy your holiday as well Quigley - hope your not working. Gotta think maybe you are going to head to the beach with the family perhaps - one of the things I miss about being out there. Going to the beach in the evening to watch the sunset.

Later...

6   PCGyver   390/390 = 100% civil   Jul 4, 9:12am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

Sounds like Trump needs to concede he lost the electoral vote since more of the states refusing went to Trump.

7   HEY YOU   1069/1069 = 100% civil   Jul 4, 10:24am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

BayAreaObserver says

It doesn't at least at the national level but we all want to believe it does just like fiat currency and most other things and being able to think of one's self as a "patriot" sounds nice and feels good.

Does everyone get a trophy,too? lol

"Gotta think maybe you are going to head to the beach with the family perhaps- "
Next to Chris Christy on a banned beach?

8   MMR   383/383 = 100% civil   Jul 4, 10:44am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

HEY YOU says

Does everyone get a trophy,too? lol

Sadly, participation trophies are more of an affectation of people who consider themselves to be liberal

9   Quigley   889/895 = 99% civil   Jul 4, 11:05am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

BayAreaObserver says

Enjoy your holiday as well Quigley - hope your not working. Gotta think maybe you are going to head to the beach with the family perhaps - one of the things I miss about being out there. Going to the beach in the evening to watch the sunset.

Thanks Bay,
I just finished a crossfit "Hero" workout named for a fallen soldier. Now it's time to decorate the kids bikes for the neighborhood bike parade, then off to escort the kids around the block party, drink beer with friends, BBQ, toss water balloons, and swim in the pool when we get hot. It's gonna be awesome.

10   Booger   647/647 = 100% civil   Jul 4, 3:57pm  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

It will be fun to watch the Democrats lose a bunch more seats in Congress once the illegals and dead are purged from the voter rolls

11   TwoScoopsMcGee   1713/1713 = 100% civil   Jul 4, 7:08pm  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

States like WA operate on the Honor System and have very limited means to detect even the most widespread voter fraud.

They say "We have no evidence", because their system is designed not to collect any.

12   BayAreaObserver   1090/1090 = 100% civil   Jul 5, 10:34am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Election Integrity Commission asks states "to send voter records to an unsecure web site."

As many as 44 US states are now refusing to hand voter data over to President Donald Trump and his administration citing legal and privacy concerns. This cache includes information such as voters' full names, political affiliations, addresses, dates of birth, criminal records, the last four digits of Social Security numbers, and other personal identifying information. The tussle continues despite the fact that some of the desired data, including whether individuals have voted in the past decade, is set to become part of the public record separate from this situation.

This wave of refusals comes a week after the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity sent a letter (PDF) to the nation's 50 states seeking the information so the newly created Trump commission could "analyze vulnerabilities and issues related to voter registration and voting." Trump signed the executive order in May to create the commission amid his own claims that there was voter fraud on a massive scale during the 2016 election. Trump alleged that millions had voted illegally, but so far those claims have been unfounded.

More including link to the state by state breakdown: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/07/personal-data-of-us-registered-voters-hangs-in-the-privacy-balance/

13   FortWayne   891/897 = 99% civil   Jul 5, 10:39am  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

left screams that russians are hacking us. but when Trump asks to look into it and address vulnerabilities the left suddenly flips out and cries injustice. Oh too funny!!!

14   BayAreaObserver   1090/1090 = 100% civil   Jul 5, 10:48am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

FW - aren't you and FWM due on set for the sequel of Brokeback Mountain, "The Geriatric Years and Beyond" ?

15   Tenpoundbass   1428/1430 = 99% civil   Jul 5, 11:09am  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

What does a homoneurotic remark have to do with this reality?

16   iwog   2234/2236 = 99% civil   Jul 5, 12:26pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (3)   quote    

Being a Republican voter is a mental disorder. Can't really say much else in this thread.

17   justme   275/275 = 100% civil   Jul 5, 12:35pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Where is the EVIDENCE of voter fraud? Can we have a list of all the fraudulent voters, please, including names and addresses, and whether they cast a vote in any given election? If the public cannot themselves see who these supposed fraudulent voters are, there is no reason to believe any claim that there was fraud.

Why do I get the feeling that political consultants somehow have access to all the voting data, but the public does not?

18   Quigley   889/895 = 99% civil   Jul 5, 6:41pm  ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

Being a Republican voter is a mental disorder.

Since we really only have two choices, and voting Democrat is a sign of having a permanently limp dick, where does that leave us?

19   Rew   1138/1138 = 100% civil   Jul 5, 9:28pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (3)   quote    

- Every bipartisan commission the government has ever put together on voter fraud has found it is almost immeasurable.
- When found it is rarely intentional or leads to a conviction.
- It is fractions of percentages of the population and could never swing any election.
- Unlike climate change, voter fraud really isn't happening in any way that affects our lives in the US.

Overwhelmingly Republicans show the actual true elitist tendencies in America today. They believe poor people are the problem, they are radically pro big business (at least in action, if not words and mythos they tell themselves), and they very much believe less Americans voting is a good thing.

If you want to take away black and latino votes, you start by claiming you are looking for fraud, then purge voter rolls to get a 'clean slate'. By doing that you will mistakenly kick valid voters off the roll, without their knowledge. It leads to lower voting numbers on the day by unfairly putting up an invalid barrier for newly registered and recently naturalized citizens. (Ask Jeb Bush. He did exactly this in Florida.)

GOP, I've got news for you: The way forward isn't backward.

The current 'Republicans' are a reactionary blip fighting a stream of progress and the future. Historically reactionaries never last long. Congratulations on electing our slightly racist grandfather who recently learned about computers and social media. The legacy will be a debacle, and 'our time will come'.

20   Rew   1138/1138 = 100% civil   Jul 5, 9:34pm  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

BayAreaObserver says

As many as 44 US states are now refusing to hand voter data over to President Donald Trump

The best part of that is staunch GOP strongholds are telling Trump to essentially F-off. :)
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/states-give-election-integrity-commission-cold-shoulder

Balance of powers Trump ... balance of powers. Maybe you can get some tips from Putin on how to deal with this type of thing on your upcoming trip? ;)

21   FortWayne   891/897 = 99% civil   Jul 5, 9:43pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Rew says

Balance of powers Trump

Lets see how this works.
Liberals (Democrats) decide that we should have government ran healthcare and that's not an issue of big government.
Trump wants to look into voting records to catch fraud and vulnerabilities that Democrats are screaming is happening... but that's overreach.

This is very typical Democratic party immature behavior. Everything Democrats do is great, everything other side does is shit.

22   BayAreaObserver   1090/1090 = 100% civil   Jul 6, 7:56am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

everything other side does is shit

That's putting the cart before the horse right now.

Outside of proving once again the GOP is incapable to governing and as of yet they have failed to produce one piece of legislation despite having control of everything - it wouldn't be fair to call what has happened shit just yet.

A cluster fuck of imaginable proportions and a clown circus of epic proportions - that would be fair assessment for the moment.

Hey there - how are you doing on those horseback riding lessons ? What about your military service, can you tell us about that ? Please....?

(TPB, FWM,TOB - same for you guys as well) Military service (very important), horseback riding abilities (not so much) ability to carry a gun and not shoot yourself while it's in the holster (you too FW),

If you gonna be a "patriot" under the image of Marion, you gots to be able to ride, smoke cigarettes, etc. and he liked real veterans even though we wasn't one just like someone else everyone knows...I bet your cool with Charlton Heston too - yes ?

You guys stay cute...and pickable. Would you mind to make things a bit more challenging and not regurgitate lines and retorts from CiC and come up with some original stuff.

23   BayAreaObserver   1090/1090 = 100% civil   Jul 9, 1:47am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Trump Blows the GOP's Cover on Voter Suppression Efforts. It's becoming even harder for anyone who cares about the integrity of elections to believe Republicans are acting in good faith.

Almost no one in the United States commits voter fraud. This is backed up by numerous studies, and also makes logical sense: Defrauding the voting system entails a lot of risk and no reward, so there's little incentive to risk a felony conviction to cast an extra vote that is virtually certain not to change the outcome of an election. This is especially true for undocumented immigrants who would risk deportation to vote. And, in general, Americans are hardly so committed to voting that they're breaking the law to cast extra ballots – the turnout rate among the voting-age population is, in fact, pretty dismal.

But Donald Trump expects the American people to believe he lost the popular vote because three to five million people so fervently desired to vote for Hillary Clinton that they were driven to commit felonies.

During the campaign, Trump warned that he might not accept the outcome of the election if he lost. But it turns out that even though he won, and secretaries of state from both parties have denied any significant voting irregularities, he's willing to question the legitimacy of the nation's electoral system. In the months since he first tweeted that millions of people voted illegally, Trump has provided no evidence for his absurd claim, and in a saner world it would be written off as the rantings of a habitual liar with a bruised ego. But Trump's lie or delusion concerning his popular-vote loss is built upon a myth of voter fraud that Republicans have carefully cultivated to justify regulations – such as voter-ID and proof-of-citizenship requirements – that make it harder to vote for Democratic-leaning populations like minorities, young people and low-income individuals.

And now, Trump's new Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity appears to be aimed at ginning up support for further voter-suppression efforts.

Trump's commission is led by Kris Kobach, the Kansas secretary of state who's now running for governor. Kobach is the legal mind behind a slew of anti-immigrant and anti-voter laws implemented across the country, many of which have been struck down by courts. He's been called "the king of voter suppression" by the ACLU and "the most racist politician in America" by Kansas' Senate minority leader. Kobach was such a dedicated birther that he demanded even more information after Obama released his birth certificate before placing him on the Kansas ballot. He was recently fined by a federal court in a case challenging his state's voter restrictions for making "patently misleading representations to the court" regarding a memo he provided to Trump about such restrictions.

More: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/trump-blows-the-gops-cover-on-voter-suppression-efforts-w491330

24   Tenpoundbass   1428/1430 = 99% civil   Jul 9, 5:54am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

OK brainonaunts just what are the quantum mechanics that shows the benefit of Putin hacking the election, and just how did it help?
How does a Putin sway the Ameircan election? Obama actively went to Britain and told them all the fate of the free world rests on them voting No on Brexit.

25   BayAreaObserver   1090/1090 = 100% civil   Jul 9, 5:57am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

TPB - I'll get back to you. I have to look up "brainonaunts". Catchy, I can put this to use in the future...

26   Booger   647/647 = 100% civil   Jul 9, 6:15am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

27   joeyjojojunior   883/888 = 99% civil   Jul 9, 6:49am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

I'm sure they don't want their personal info going to this sham of an investigation.

Just re-register later

28   Booger   647/647 = 100% civil   Jul 9, 7:13am  ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike   quote    

29   Tim Aurora   294/294 = 100% civil   Jul 9, 7:27am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Troll alert just like your cult head - Donald Trump

30   bob2356   688/695 = 98% civil   Jul 9, 7:34am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Booger says

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/hundreds-of-voter-registrations-withdrawn-in-colorado-after-state-signals-compliance-with-trump-election-commission-report/article/2628073

Hundreds less registered Democrats in Colorado now.

Hundreds that were smart enough to keep their personal info, including addresses and partial ss #, out of an unsecured federal date base.

31   Quigley   889/895 = 99% civil   Jul 9, 7:53am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Um, that's silly since the government issues your ss# and thus has it already. And if you pay taxes, they know where you live. More like these were illegals who withdrew to avoid penalties.
Can you imagine what California would look like without illegal voters? Probably 10 million illegals here now. If only half of them were convinced by the billboards and Obama telling them to vote, that's a hell of a lot of election fraud!

bob2356 says

Hundreds that were smart enough to keep their personal info, including addresses and partial ss #, out of an unsecured federal date base.

32   PCGyver   390/390 = 100% civil   Jul 9, 9:16am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Quigley says

that's a hell of a lot of election fraud!

Well then it sounds like the only solution is for the states to issue voter ID's, fully paid for by the state since there should be no costs to voters to vote. Even have a mobile station to drive to poor communities to make sure that their right to vote is not taken away.

33   bob2356   688/695 = 98% civil   Jul 11, 4:41am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Quigley says

Um, that's silly since the government issues your ss# and thus has it already. And if you pay taxes, they know where you live. More like these were illegals who withdrew to avoid penalties.

Can you imagine what California would look like without illegal voters? Probably 10 million illegals here now. If only half of them were convinced by the billboards and Obama telling them to vote, that's a hell of a lot of election fraud!

bob2356 says

Hundreds that were smart enough to keep their personal info, including addresses and partial ss #, out of an unsecured federal date base.

Um, the social security administration and the irs with strict federal over site laws and federal employees bound by law is not at all the same thing as some ad hoc committee staffed with who knows who. Maybe you should consider learning how your own government works. Nah that would mean actually knowing what you are talking about.

So where are all these illegal votes? Want to lay out the proof other than it's true because I believe it should be true. I'll be waiting, and waiting, and waiting.

34   Quigley   889/895 = 99% civil   Jul 11, 5:38am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

bob2356 says

Um, the social security administration and the irs with strict federal over site laws and federal employees bound by law is not at all the same thing as some ad hoc committee staffed with who knows who. Maybe you should consider learning how your own government works. Nah that would mean actually knowing what you are talking about.

An ad hoc committee? You mean like the hundreds of other committees staffed by Congress or do you mean the ones staffed by government administrators? And who knows who? Well I certainly don't know who all the IRS and social security agents are, so they must be seedy perverts ready to sell my data on the black market!

Whatever dude, you're reaching, and it's sad.

35   Booger   647/647 = 100% civil   Jul 11, 7:12pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

California has 9 extra electoral votes due to illegal aliens.

36   Rew   1138/1138 = 100% civil   Jul 11, 7:31pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Lunacy. Stop it.

Look what is about to happen. Look what that healthcare bill really is.

(sigh)

37   Booger   647/647 = 100% civil   Jul 12, 6:45pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

DEAD PEOPLE are tearing up their Democratic Party Registration Forms and returning to the graves in hordes since Trump ordered a probe into voter fraud!

38   bob2356   688/695 = 98% civil   Jul 13, 4:44am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Quigley says

An ad hoc committee? You mean like the hundreds of other committees staffed by Congress or do you mean the ones staffed by government administrators? And who knows who? Well I certainly don't know who all the IRS and social security agents are, so they must be seedy perverts ready to sell my data on the black market!

Whatever dude, you're reaching, and it's sad.

Too funny. Maybe you should look into how your own government actually works. BTW it's not a congressional committee/commission. It's an ad hoc group appointed by executive order. NOT subject to the rules and regulations that government employees must follow. Don't let facts confuse you.

39   BayAreaObserver   1090/1090 = 100% civil   Jul 17, 7:26am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

White House voter commission publishes names, numbers of worried citizens

Shortly before the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity is set to have its first meeting on Wednesday July 19—which will be livestreamed here—the controversial committee published hundreds of pages from concerned citizens about the group’s work. In some cases, the White House released citizens’ phone numbers and e-mail addresses, seemingly without their knowledge.

However, a spokesperson for Vice President Mike Pence, who is leading the group, indicated that releasing such personal information was ok.

"These are public comments, similar to individuals appearing before commission to make comments and providing name before making comments," Marc Lotter, press secretary to the vice president, told Vox on Friday. "The Commission’s Federal Register notice asking for public comments and its website make clear that information ‘including names and contact information’ sent to this email address may be released."

Nearly all states have said that they will not comply with the commission’s request for voter data. While some of the comments are in favor of the commission’s work, a large portion of them are not. In one instance, a president of a company in Connecticut wrote: "Your attempt to get voter information is undemocratic and un-American. Shame on you."

Others were more colorful and included messages like: "I hope you get just shit and nothing else," and more simply, "Fuck off." Another took a more humorous tack: "heard you guys need voter info and stuff, here’s mine," linking to Goatse, a notorious NSFW image that has been online since 1999.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/07/white-house-voter-commission-publishes-names-numbers-of-worried-citizens/?comments=1

Can we all say "voter intimidation" ? There are some other terms that come to mind as well but I am kind of pressed for time.

40   PCGyver   390/390 = 100% civil   Jul 17, 8:05am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

BayAreaObserver says

Others were more colorful and included messages like: "I hope you get just shit and nothing else," and more simply, "Fuck off."

Somebody needs to Rick Roll Them

41   Booger   647/647 = 100% civil   Jul 19, 6:36pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

42   errc   718/727 = 98% civil   Jul 19, 6:46pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

For all the energy and resources it would take to verify 250,000,000 citizenship through state ID's, why not just revamp the whole deal. Toss the House and Senate or at least their voting privileges, and have the citizenry vote directly on legislation. Why do we need to send Representatives off to D.C. When we could all just vote from our cell phones

We are using archaic technology akin to time of sending messenger pigeons, by wasting all the time on election cycles, just to argue over whose politician is shittier. We could represent ourselves and vote from the comfort of the couch

43   Booger   647/647 = 100% civil   Jul 21, 9:04pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

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